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Oct 5 06 7:46 AM

Just a question for you, JB.

I am not being antagonistic or rude, just wondering.

I, personally, abhore the stench of smoke; be it from tobacco, trash, or leaves.

I agree that it should be banned.

My father had only one lung and continued to smoke. It did not seem to bother him. He burned his trash and his leaves. He did not complain about the smoke or the particulates. But he was a very strong man.

But my questions to you are:

Do you have lung problems?

Do you have loved ones with lung problems?

Are people with lung problems complaining?

I am just curious about the other people who should be complaining about leaf burning and trash burning. I am not hearing from them.

BTW, I am getting ready to spend next week in my Cherokee grandmother's hometown of Claremore, OK, where the burning of trash and leaves is legal. Except when the grass fires are a real threat. Claremore, like MVN, really stinks.

If you want to see the effects of burning leaves and trash on the air we breath, jump on a helicopter and climb slowly up through 6,000 feet. You will be stunned at how dirty the air is down here where we have to breath it.

But wear good ear protectors as helicopters make a lot of noise.

"Great flatulence stinks alike!"

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Oct 5 06 7:56 AM

JohnnyBob wrote:
Leaf burning pollutes the air and should be banned in Mt Vernon. It causes multiple deaths through lung cancer and other diseases, as well as considerable discomfort for our residents.

That is what is important.

I will not be drawn into detailed responses to your verbose and/or intentionally irrelevant/complicated posts. I don't have that much free time.


Tobacco smoking causes 500,000 deaths per year in America alone.
Many more deaths than the war on terror.

You are not complaining about that. Why not?

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Oct 5 06 8:06 AM

According to WHO, tobacco consumption is the leading cause of preventable death and disability in adults globally.

Each year, approximately 4 million people worldwide die from tobacco-related causes.

If current smoking patterns persist, the number of tobacco-related deaths will rise to 10 million annually by the year 2025, surpassing the death toll from AIDS, tuberculosis, automobile accidents, homicide, suicide, and childbirth combined.

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Oct 5 06 8:12 AM

JohnnyBob wrote:
Your spamming of this thread is noted. That has been your tactic elsewhere as well.

Residents of Mt Vernon need to be protected from fouled, dirty air caused by burning leaves. That is the issue here.


You did not understand my first post on this thread.

I AGREED WITH YOU!!!!

By the way, I am not spamming.

Thi is called conversation.

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Oct 5 06 8:27 AM

JohnnyBob wrote:
I think your intentions are clear, to dilute the argument and post unnecessary/irrelevant complications - impossible to reply to in any reasonable fashion. You do that persistently, everywhere you post, in all threads.

Let's stick to the topic: Leaf burning in Mt Vernon.

That's the issue here.

It's unhealthy and unsafe to burn leaves here in Mt Vernon, and it needs to be banned ASAP.


I am not being antagonistic. I just am wondering why you care about that issue so much.

Have you presented scientific facts to the city, county and state?
Are you writing your congressman and senators?

Are you being proactive politically to get the laws changed?

JB, you are a person that really and truly cares about this potentially deadly problem. Your posts show that. I, too, hate the stinch of burning trash and leaves. I think it is deadly, also.

But, what are you doing about it other than posting and posting in these forums?

I do not know any politicians in Illinois, so I cannot help you in that manner. But in reading some of these threads, there are people here that could help you locally.

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Oct 5 06 8:36 AM

JohnnyBob wrote:
Kindly go somewhere else to post. You are annoying me. Thank you.

The issue in this thread is leaf burning in Mt Vernon. That's a pretty simple issue, and the solution is simple too. It should be banned ASAP to save and protect the health and comfort of our citizens.


I am trying to help, yet you will not respond positively to my questions. You seem angry at my trying to help you.

I will repeat my questions as you have not answered them.

Have you presented scientific facts to the city, county and state?

Are you writing your congressman and senators? Your Mayor, councilman, the governor? Your homeowners association?

Are you being proactive politically to get the laws changed?

Do you want others to pitch in and help you?

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Oct 5 06 8:39 AM

JB, I also agree with you, but you don't seem to be able to understand how things work. It is not a simple problem until you present the scientific evidence that a problem even exists in MtV. You seem to think that all you have to do is say "this is bad" and that automatically makes it bad. Listen to what Avatar is saying.

Never underestimate radical vision

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Oct 5 06 8:41 AM

JohnnyBob wrote:
Please go somewhere else to post your verbosity, off-topic, dilutions.

STOP LEAF BURNING IN MT VERNON NOW!!!!!!!


This is not off topic. I am agreeing with you!!!!!!!

I want to help you in your effort to stop the leaf and trash burning, yet you seem to be fighting me and I cannot figure out why.

Have you tried the political way to have laws enacted to stop leaf and trash burning?

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Oct 5 06 8:43 AM

Avatar, as it said earlier, you cannot reason with a fanatic or a nutcase. They are locked in their own worlds. Even when you agree with them, they cannot reason.

Never underestimate radical vision

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Oct 5 06 8:50 AM

JB answer the questions presented to you. They are reasonable questions asking what you have done other than post on this forum to get leaf burning banned.
He is asking have you contacted Local and State Reps to have this done.
If you cannot answer those questions then I truely believe you have lost it.

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Oct 5 06 8:57 AM

It is not spamming JB. These threads are meant to have discussions. If you cannot have a discussion and just keep spouting this stuff and in CAPS no less, then you are:
1) not going to get your point across
2) completely lost your mind and
3) You are the only spammer by saying the same thing over again when questions have been put before you to answer.

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Oct 5 06 8:59 AM

wclark wrote:
That's not negative, JB; that's just the way it is. You cannot reason with a fanatic.


Bill,

What I really find interesting is there is constant hammering from many individuals throughout America about stopping the war and showing the body count in the newspapers and other MSM, yet the masses are totally silent on the 500,000 Americans killed annually by tobacco products.

Since the War in Iraq started, 1,500,000 Americans have been killed by tobacco (and an additional 135,000 in vehicular accidents). And amazingly, no large outcries from the liberals. All you hear is Stop the War! cries throughout the liberal world.

How many people are being killed by burning leaves and trash?

I asked that and get a non-response thrown back at me. I want reality. I want statistics that I can use to fight a battle. I am a warrior and have been for most of my life. I can engage in a leaf burning ban battle, but only if I have the ammunition to go on the attack.

I can get the ammunition on tobacco, vehicular accidents, lives save from life-flight helicopters, decibal readings, etc.

Show me also what laws have been sent to the Illinois State Congressional bodies to stop leaf and trash burning. Were any sent? Why not, if not? If they were sent, why weren't they passed?

I truly would like to help out JB, but I think you are correct.

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Oct 5 06 10:32 AM

This is the first time I am posting a reply on this thread, so please try to hear me out. I last fall I think you posted a similar thread regarding the health problems associated with leaf burning. My biggest interest is, what specific kinds of toxic matter is released into the air from burning leaves.

Composting is a great idea, but you know that not everyone is going to do that. Are there any civic groups in town that help with leaf burning prevention? Maybe you could start one.

The beatings will continue until morale improves!
Sic vis pacem, para bellum.

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Oct 5 06 10:59 AM

OK, see everybody? It's not that hard to hold a reasonable discussion, even if we have opposing views!

The beatings will continue until morale improves!
Sic vis pacem, para bellum.

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Oct 5 06 11:16 AM

JohnnyBob wrote:
uniq12 wrote:
OK, see everybody? It's not that hard to hold a reasonable discussion, even if we have opposing views!

Of course it is, but please realize I don't have that much time. Typically there will develop a point in a thread when a dozen questions are asked, all at once. It's just impossible.


What a crock. You've been here all morning. That seems to be quite a bit of time to me. ??

Never underestimate radical vision

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